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	<title>Comments on: The Trouble with Trolls</title>
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		<title>By: What is a troll? What can you do about one?</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-4522</link>
		<dc:creator>What is a troll? What can you do about one?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-4522</guid>
		<description>[...] The Trouble with Trolls, a blog posting by Microsoft’s Sean O&#8217;Driscoll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Trouble with Trolls, a blog posting by Microsoft’s Sean O&#8217;Driscoll [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Live Vista &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is a troll? What can you do about one?</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-4502</link>
		<dc:creator>Live Vista &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is a troll? What can you do about one?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-4502</guid>
		<description>[...] The Trouble with Trolls, a blog posting by Microsoft’s Sean O&#8217;Driscoll [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Trouble with Trolls, a blog posting by Microsoft’s Sean O&#8217;Driscoll [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-4391</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-4391</guid>
		<description>Very good post. Very useful to me. I've decided the most important thing is to distinguish between harmonious users, users who are critical but are employing reason, users who are angry at something specific and the trolls. The former groups are all a great part of the dialogue we have. The last is someone to ignore and, if he or she remains disruptive, eventually ban. I'm a big free speech proponent, but you're right. You server is your PERSONAL property (or that of your company), not a public space. There is no such thing as a "right" to be disruptive on what amounts to private property. A maximum amount of conversation, including critical conversation, should be allowed, encouraged even. But you need to be aware of, and alright with, getting rid of trolls who make your space useless. This will effect the way people think about your product or service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post. Very useful to me. I&#8217;ve decided the most important thing is to distinguish between harmonious users, users who are critical but are employing reason, users who are angry at something specific and the trolls. The former groups are all a great part of the dialogue we have. The last is someone to ignore and, if he or she remains disruptive, eventually ban. I&#8217;m a big free speech proponent, but you&#8217;re right. You server is your PERSONAL property (or that of your company), not a public space. There is no such thing as a &#8220;right&#8221; to be disruptive on what amounts to private property. A maximum amount of conversation, including critical conversation, should be allowed, encouraged even. But you need to be aware of, and alright with, getting rid of trolls who make your space useless. This will effect the way people think about your product or service.</p>
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		<title>By: A guide for those that are new to this blog&#8230; : Community Group Therapy</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-1377</link>
		<dc:creator>A guide for those that are new to this blog&#8230; : Community Group Therapy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-1377</guid>
		<description>[...] The Trouble with Trolls [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Trouble with Trolls [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mobile Technology in TAFE &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Creating Thriving Online Communities</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobile Technology in TAFE &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Creating Thriving Online Communities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-947</guid>
		<description>[...] Find ways to encourage the 1 % that love participating. These are the people who will drive your community.&#160; Listen to Sean O&#8217;Driscol&#8217;s (Manager of Microsoft online communities) share his knowledge on creating thriving online communities&#160;and check out Sean&#8217;s blog!&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Find ways to encourage the 1 % that love participating. These are the people who will drive your community.&nbsp; Listen to Sean O&#8217;Driscol&#8217;s (Manager of Microsoft online communities) share his knowledge on creating thriving online communities&nbsp;and check out Sean&#8217;s blog!&nbsp; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mobile Technology in TAFE &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging Challenge&#8211;Day 3: Search for and join forum&#8217;s on your Blog&#8217;s Topic</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobile Technology in TAFE &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Blogging Challenge&#8211;Day 3: Search for and join forum&#8217;s on your Blog&#8217;s Topic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-948</guid>
		<description>[...] interacting in online communities I strongly recommend you&#160;read Sean&#8217;s Community Group Therapy Blog.&#160; I have learnt so much from&#160;Sean&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] interacting in online communities I strongly recommend you&nbsp;read Sean&#8217;s Community Group Therapy Blog.&nbsp; I have learnt so much from&nbsp;Sean&#8217;s [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Díaz Guzmán (MVP)</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Díaz Guzmán (MVP)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-936</guid>
		<description>Here in Chile we have a Troll that put some bad words in my blog :S
He is a psychopathic trolls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Chile we have a Troll that put some bad words in my blog :S<br />
He is a psychopathic trolls</p>
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		<title>By: Sean  ODriscoll</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean  ODriscoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-943</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the great additions John...it's sad to know that's true, but it is and you provide a good reality check to community leaders about the differences and requirements to address both.

Thanks for joining the conversation.

sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great additions John&#8230;it&#8217;s sad to know that&#8217;s true, but it is and you provide a good reality check to community leaders about the differences and requirements to address both.</p>
<p>Thanks for joining the conversation.</p>
<p>sean</p>
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		<title>By: John McGhie</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-944</link>
		<dc:creator>John McGhie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-944</guid>
		<description>Your response was "enthusiastically and appreciatively" received by many -- we just forgot to tell you that at the time.

I think there are two broad groupings of trolls.  The first (perhaps the largest) is obtaining some kind of gratification from their activities.  They're pushing some kind of viewpoint, or they are trying to damage something they do not like, or they are deriving amusement from the pain they cause.  This group can be effectively dealt with by ignoring.  If you ignore them, you cut off their gratification, they will move on to some other place where they can get the attention they crave.

However, I believe there is a second group of trolls:  the psychopathic trolls.  They're not as common, but far more intractible, because they lack normal social empathy.  These people cannot understand (and never will understand) that they are doing anything wrong.  Since they do not experience an emotional engagement with the community, they are unable to connect the statements they make with the mayhem that ensues.

For them, only removal will work.  These are the ones for which authentication and access denial are necessary.

Everything else you mention: Values, Principles, Consistency, Respect and Courtesy, are necessary for and effective with the "other" 99.99 per cent of community members.

But psychopathic trolls are intractible: they canot reform, they cannot be cured, because they lack the ability to understand that they have done anything wrong.

So I agree with you: you get to the stage where you either lose the troll or lose the community.  Who was it said that "one person's freedom ends at the point of another person's jaw"?  The psychopathic troll is like any other kind of psychopath: if you give them the freedom to kill, they will!

Fortunately, they are extremely rare.  But that does not allow us the luxury of failing to protect our communities from them.

Well done!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your response was &#8220;enthusiastically and appreciatively&#8221; received by many &#8212; we just forgot to tell you that at the time.</p>
<p>I think there are two broad groupings of trolls.  The first (perhaps the largest) is obtaining some kind of gratification from their activities.  They&#8217;re pushing some kind of viewpoint, or they are trying to damage something they do not like, or they are deriving amusement from the pain they cause.  This group can be effectively dealt with by ignoring.  If you ignore them, you cut off their gratification, they will move on to some other place where they can get the attention they crave.</p>
<p>However, I believe there is a second group of trolls:  the psychopathic trolls.  They&#8217;re not as common, but far more intractible, because they lack normal social empathy.  These people cannot understand (and never will understand) that they are doing anything wrong.  Since they do not experience an emotional engagement with the community, they are unable to connect the statements they make with the mayhem that ensues.</p>
<p>For them, only removal will work.  These are the ones for which authentication and access denial are necessary.</p>
<p>Everything else you mention: Values, Principles, Consistency, Respect and Courtesy, are necessary for and effective with the &#8220;other&#8221; 99.99 per cent of community members.</p>
<p>But psychopathic trolls are intractible: they canot reform, they cannot be cured, because they lack the ability to understand that they have done anything wrong.</p>
<p>So I agree with you: you get to the stage where you either lose the troll or lose the community.  Who was it said that &#8220;one person&#8217;s freedom ends at the point of another person&#8217;s jaw&#8221;?  The psychopathic troll is like any other kind of psychopath: if you give them the freedom to kill, they will!</p>
<p>Fortunately, they are extremely rare.  But that does not allow us the luxury of failing to protect our communities from them.</p>
<p>Well done!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://communitygrouptherapy.com/2007/06/07/the-trouble-with-trolls/#comment-938</guid>
		<description>The definitive list of the different characters would have to be:
&lt;a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definitive list of the different characters would have to be:<br />
<a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm</a></p>
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